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Post by Legolas on Feb 18, 2004 21:32:00 GMT -5
i have heard many theories, ranging from orc to elf on what sauron was. he was, in reality a maia spirit, like gandalf and the balrog. i didn't know this until a little earlier, but i thought it was kind of cool.
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Bombadil
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Post by Bombadil on Feb 18, 2004 23:14:10 GMT -5
I know Gandalf was a Maia, but as for the Balrog I thought it was much like a dragon, or vile creature created by Morgoth. Morgoth did create an army of Balrogs, and if they were all Maia, I'd like to know how the hell the Noldorian Elves (as strong as they may have been) took em out.
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Post by Ilúvatar on Feb 19, 2004 12:57:30 GMT -5
Sauron was Maiar. He rebelled and came to Middle-earth with Melkor/Morgorth.
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Post by Legolas on Feb 19, 2004 16:08:17 GMT -5
(continuing from iluvatar), corrupted the numenoreans, came back to middle earth, made the great rings, and the rest is history. ;D
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vacin8r
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Post by vacin8r on Feb 26, 2004 14:31:41 GMT -5
sauron was a maiar, quite possibly the most powerful of all the maiars. the istari and the balrogs were also maiar yet of different levels of power. maiar was often used as just a term for servants of the valar, therefore you could argue that to a very small extent orcs were maiar, although this is reaching. the elves were able to defeat balrogs in war, but it wasnt easy for them, very rare could a single elf take out a balrog as there powers they have were great. keep in mind based on other wars that one elf to about 5 orcs was a fair fight. there were not a ridiculous number of balrogs so it could be assumed in all the battles of the silmarillion, that morgoth was outnumbered, he just had the power of the valar and the maiar on his side, while the sons of feanor went unaided by the gods, thanks to their curse.
-don
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Post by Legolas on Feb 28, 2004 19:47:08 GMT -5
yeah, but elves are strong and uncorrupted, orcs are medium and corrupted.
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Post by Ilúvatar on Feb 29, 2004 0:13:36 GMT -5
Keep reading the Sil and you will see that orcs were elves once  |
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Post by Legolas on Feb 29, 2004 13:44:47 GMT -5
yeah- i just read it a couple days ago (about orcs being elves), and i knew it before. remember saruman in ttt (it might be fotr, but i think it's ttt)
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Post by Boromir on Feb 29, 2004 13:56:35 GMT -5
Nope, it's FotR.
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Post by Legolas on Feb 29, 2004 15:49:19 GMT -5
i just remember he goes "orcs were elves once, tortured and mutilated..." or something like that, as my gaffer always says lol ;D ;D |
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Gothmog
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Post by Gothmog on Mar 22, 2004 15:18:28 GMT -5
I know Gandalf was a Maia, but as for the Balrog I thought it was much like a dragon, or vile creature created by Morgoth. Morgoth did create an army of Balrogs, and if they were all Maia, I'd like to know how the hell the Noldorian Elves (as strong as they may have been) took em out. No!!!! Gee's you people! Get it straight, there were never lots of Balrogs, there Maia! There was never more than ten off them!!! Balrogs almost never died at the hand of the Noldor, the only one was Ecthellion, who killed Gothmog in the square of Gondolin! And the most powerful Maia was Eonwe, or Manwe's herald.(Read the Voyage of Earendil) |
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Post by Ilúvatar on Mar 23, 2004 11:58:59 GMT -5
We've been missing you Gothmog  . We need your guidance and your specific expertise. |
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Post by Gothmog on Mar 23, 2004 14:55:17 GMT -5
*Insert Sarcasim* Yes, I know it must have been hard without me.
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Post by Legolas on Mar 23, 2004 18:40:38 GMT -5
it sure was. *stops sarcasm* whaddaya mean there were never more than 10?!
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Gothmog
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Post by Gothmog on Mar 24, 2004 18:34:49 GMT -5
Whadda you mean whadda I mean?
Just what I said! There were never more than ten!
There Miai for crying out loud!
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