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Post by Ilúvatar on Apr 19, 2004 13:11:33 GMT -5
What if . . . Faramir was in the Fellowship instead of Boromir? How do you think the story would have changed?
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Post by Kitoky on Apr 20, 2004 21:27:46 GMT -5
I think it'd would turn out badder for Frodo and the ring because Faramir has more issues that pushes him to receive his father's love that he'll probably do anything to get it.
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Post by Ilúvatar on Apr 21, 2004 9:38:15 GMT -5
Wow - I don't get that from Faramir at all. I think he was above it all. He was never tempted by the Ring and when he had Frodo, Sam, and Gollum he let them go. I think it would have been Boromir who would have found them (Frodo & Sam) and then quite possibly Boromir would have taken the Ring or took them to Gondor. That is of course if they made it that far. Faramir would not have tried to take the Ring while in the Fellowship so maybe they all would have went to Mount Doom. Or all been killed by the Orcs. Because there would have been no reason for Frodo to run away. Lots of speculation here - gotta love it.
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Post by Kitoky on Apr 21, 2004 19:05:55 GMT -5
*thinks*
But based on Faramir's actions - past experiences with his father, it may tempt and we don't exactly know how deep that urge is. So we don't really know the consequences, but I think it'd turn out bad.
In the books they made it like Faramir was not even tempted by the ring with the famous quote of "I would not take this thing, if it lay by the highway."
You just can't do that - you just took away the Ring of all its power. It's not realistic to the storyline. And if Tolkien could write anything about Faramir with the Fellowship - I think he'd write him tempted by the Ring....but then again c'mon he's the author and he can make anything happen.
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Post by Ilúvatar on Apr 22, 2004 11:02:32 GMT -5
Tolkien did write it - Faramir was not tempted. He was above that. I don't recall ever reading that Aragorn was tempted either (and they made that such a big deal in the movie - when I think they should have made that Faramir's part.) But I regress, back to the topic.
So do you really think Faramir really has issues with his father? Could you give me some examples? Thanks.
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Post by Boromir on Apr 22, 2004 11:11:50 GMT -5
I think she just thinks that he'd do worse than Boromir because she's so obsessed with Boromir.
It was definitely Tolkien's intention to have the Ring have no power over Faramir. He had a stronger will than Boromir. He had a stronger will than most men. He would have been better in the fellowship as far as being tempted by the Ring goes. But as far as what would of happened to the Fellowship if it had Faramir instead of Boromir...who knows such things? But I can tell you that I would prefer it the way it was. I don't think Boromir's character would have had much chance to shine had he not been in the Fellowship.
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Post by Legolas on Apr 22, 2004 16:51:53 GMT -5
maybe...but he wasn't exposed to it for as long as boromir...
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Post by Kitoky on Apr 22, 2004 20:30:24 GMT -5
I think she just thinks that he'd do worse than Boromir because she's so obsessed with Boromir. The thought of my "obsession" as you call it, with Boromir never crossed my mind, and I'd think that people would think I'd be more mature than putting my favoritisms away from my honest opinion. But for me, I think that Faramir would really have more trouble then Boromir. I think that Faramir has that great y'know desire to please his father for once. Ever since say....5 years old? Ever since Finduilas died, Denethor blames Faramir - and Faramir himself grieves from the death of his mom. You'd think that Boromir would be more sad but Faramir was closest to this mom.
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Post by Boromir on Apr 26, 2004 10:44:50 GMT -5
Just for clarification, what I said about your obsession with Boromir was a joke.
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Post by Pandora on Jun 27, 2004 16:30:07 GMT -5
It had been cool if Faramir was in the Fellowship! Because he (Faramir) was supose to go to Rivendell to find the sword that had been broken! Like it was said in his dreams for 3 or more times! Then he told his brother Boromir (who had the dream once too) about the strange dream and he went to Rivendell instead of his youger brother to find the sword!
Boromir tells all this in FotR book in the Council of Elrond...
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Post by Isengard on Jul 17, 2004 6:29:43 GMT -5
I think it would be just as bad. The ring had the same influence on him as it did on Boromir...
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Post by Ilúvatar on Jul 17, 2004 12:06:54 GMT -5
Isengard - just want to point out that we are talking about the Book here. Peter Jackson changed Faramir's character. In the movie, as you said, Faramir was just as influenced by the Ring as Boromir. In the Book, Faramir had no interest in the Ring. The Ring did not tempt him at all. Hope this clears things up a bit
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Post by Aislinn on Jul 18, 2004 14:27:06 GMT -5
Well i haven't made it that far in the book yet so I was wondering though was Faramir exposed to the ring as long as boromir?
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Post by Elanor on Aug 1, 2004 13:59:05 GMT -5
Weelll, we come to one of my favorite subjects of the books. I always have a conspiracy theory that Denethor wanted Boromir to be in the Fellowship, that is actually, through influence from the Palantír. I think it's quite obvious that Boromir was always more corruptible. He greatness for himself, not only his people, but Faramir, I think, only desired to be valued by his father and be a good person
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Post by Haerodiel on Feb 4, 2005 17:45:33 GMT -5
To me, Faramir seemed weaker in body, but stronger in mind that Boromir. After that long time of being with the ring, it might have started to efect him a little being a man, but not much. What would happen if Faramir did go, and didn't try to take the Ring from Frodo? One of the reasons Frodo chose to leave was that Boromir tried to take it from him, would Frodo go with the Felowship to Gondor? (this is asuming it was real. Tolkien would still have writen it that way. )
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