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Post by WitchKing on Jul 25, 2004 14:04:35 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the idea for making The Hobbit is still a 'go'? And if so, does anyone think PJ can pull it off AFTER making LOTR?
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Post by Isengard on Jul 25, 2004 17:40:32 GMT -5
I think it was wise of him to make LOTR first, before making The Hobbit, considering The Hobbit is just a small book, and probably would not have made much money. With LOTR, he really made a good start! ;D
So, yes, I think he could pull it off quite well!
And yes, I still think that he is going to make The Hobbit next, because it would be really cruel to make us only believe that he was not going to let the adventure continue.
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Post by Eru on Jul 26, 2004 11:04:29 GMT -5
If you scroll to the bottom of the forum first page, just above the affiliates you will see a graphic about Let the Hobbit Happen, click on it or go to www.thehobbitfilm.com
But if you want a simple answer, here it is: Nothing is happening.
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Post by WitchKing on Jul 27, 2004 23:51:11 GMT -5
Isengard-True that LOTR made far more money than The Hobbit would have but I still think he should have made it first as sort of a prologue to LOTR, as it was in book form. It would have explained the movies better, it would have given the story more background and the characters more familiarity. But being as it is, I don't know if I want him to make it now AFTER LOTR, I don't think it would feel right... but I don't know for sure, it would be impossible to know how you would react to it.
Eru-Thank you for pointing out the link at the bottom of the home page, I hadn't seen that one yet. Would you want him to make the Hobbit into a movie now?
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Post by Eru on Jul 28, 2004 8:45:22 GMT -5
I think PJ did a fine job at getting the scenery and feel of Middle-earth. I think he needed a little more help with characters. But with The Hobbit I think it would be easy to do and he couldn't really mess it up. Keeping PJ as the main man would also keep consistency between the movies thus making it a more well-rounded series. Just some of my thoughts. How about you?
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Post by WitchKing on Jul 28, 2004 23:18:25 GMT -5
Well I think your right about keeping PJ on to make the Hobbit if they are indeed going to try it, It would keep the look and feel between the movies fluent and not alienate audiences by placing a different visual and emotional feeling between them. However if they DO make it into a movie I don't know who they would cast as Bilbo, I don't think Ian Holm would appreciate having his face semi-lifted through a whole movie lol. Plus they had many more Dwarfs to cast too, which considering the hardships actor John Rhys Davies went through with make-up problems and stunt doubles it would be very hard to make. However it would not be as long as LOTR either. Also the Hobbit read alot more merrier than LOTR, it wasn't as serious, So they would HAVE to put alot of Tolkiens rymes back into the screenplay, which I wish they had done with LOTR to show more of the Hobbit's merry side. But I guess they couldn't...
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Post by AragornII on Aug 10, 2004 7:00:06 GMT -5
i would love to see the hobbit on screen - i know there have supposedly been discussions as to the rights for the films but if i am up to date with my info then i think new line MAY be putting a bid in to buy the actual company which owns the rights for a film of the hobbit - if the other company which was going to buy them doesn't sort out complications - new line arn't buying them to get the rights- but the rights would be a nice little bonus.
if it goes ahead i dearly hope ian holme gets cast as bilbo - aside from the continuity it would provide, ian made a fantastic bilbo and is truely a great actor. - as for the trouble of the "facelift" im sure many actors endured more hardship in LOTR so i would hope it wouldn't be too much of a problem. i would be interested to see how they would tackle the film - as it is very very oriented towards children - i wonder if they would make it a kids film - or perhaps make it more adult to keep it in line with lotr, whichever way im sure PJ would make a good job of it
a film of the hobbit?.....there is always hope!
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Post by Eru on Aug 10, 2004 10:37:42 GMT -5
I'm really not convinced that Ian Holm would need a face lift. Bilbo never really grew old, so how we saw him at the beginning of LotR would be how he looked in The Hobbit.
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Post by AragornII on Aug 10, 2004 11:48:35 GMT -5
I'm really not convinced that Ian Holm would need a face lift. Bilbo never really grew old, so how we saw him at the beginning of LotR would be how he looked in The Hobbit. yes - a good point and one that i had kind of thought about - however in the film version PJ did make him grow older - as he had his facelifted (not cosmetic surgery mind- but with sellotape or something like that!)for the prologue of lotr(finding of the ring) and his real face for the "normal" bilbo before he leaves the shire - it would make sense that he would have him look the same for the hobbit (as in the prologue)- also don't forget ian holm has already grown older since filming lotr- and will be older still by the time they get around to filming it (if they do).
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Post by WitchKing on Aug 10, 2004 12:49:54 GMT -5
That is a point I have been most worried about, even more I guess than Bilbo's casting, how are they going to make it into a movie? Will they go by the book and make it the jolly more 'story told' adventure it was written as, or will they change it as they did LOTR in order for it to match the set...? Thank you for the information about new line buying the rights to it AragornII, I didn't know all of that.
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Post by AragornII on Aug 11, 2004 5:43:19 GMT -5
Thank you for the information about new line buying the rights to it AragornII, I didn't know all of that. i am not 100% sure it is correct, and may well have changed since i read it - but i defintely read the company that owned the rights is being bought out by another company but the purchase looked like it wasn't going smoothly - it seemed if it didn't go ahead new line were one of the companies most likely to buy the company instead (which would mean new line would instatntly own the rights to the hobbit - instead of all the supposed negotitiations which were occuring)
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Post by [Aeria-Gloris] on Aug 11, 2004 11:04:16 GMT -5
The thing I’m always thinking about when it comes to the hobbit movie is to what degree it will be edited. Like with parts of the LOTR film, like Tom Bombadil and the wolf attack before Moria. There were also bits that were drawn out like the skirmish in Moria and the Uruk-Hai attack at the breaking of the fellowship. Helms deep was drawn out so massively in the movie compared to the book, but thank god they didn’t have Arwen turning up like they initially intended! That would have been really bad!
What I’m thinking is that they’re gonna play the part of Gollum up LOADS. He only has a fairly fleeting appearance in the book, but because he’s one of the public’s favourite characters from LOTR, his screen time will be disproportionate to his written part.
I’m also thinking that there might be a good chance that Mr Bear-man (Beor is it??), might well be cut out in a Bombadil sort of way.
I think there is some chance of cameo work in there too. John Rhys-Davies (JRD) possibly playing the young Gloin?? And even if not, then Gloin will probably get a larger part in the film than he got in the book because people love Gimli.
As for the stunt doubles for dwarfs. I don’t think it’ll be a problem. The only time Gimli had to be ‘shrunk’ was when he was around humans and elves. Since this book is predominately dwarven and hobbit, there is more chance of them blowing up (as in enlarge, not explosives) Gandalf (it’ll be nice to see some more grey Gandalf wont it?). In LOTR they didn’t have to do anything digital to Gimli around the hobbits because it just so happened that since JRD was about 6’3” to the hobbit actors 5’9”, the height difference was the same as it would be between the 2 races.
I digress. Cameos. What about Legolas?? I mean, the dwarves DO spend quite a bit of time in his dad’s castle. Wouldn’t it be cool to see him walking along a corridor in the background in one scene. Something for the fans.
They’d have to get Elrond back too. I’m not so sure about the time scales but was a young Aragorn knocking about in Rivendell about the same time as the party of dwarves passed through?? Interesting…
Balin was always my fave dwarf. I hope they don’t sacrifice some of his exposure to give some of the other dwarves more coverage. I also hope they don’t go too comic with the dwarves either. That’s what got me about LOTR at first; the way they used Gimli as the funny one. Gimli was more intellectual in the book.
How much chance is there of PJ playing up the Witchking story too?? People didn’t know what that was all about when they first read the book, but now its being presented as a prequel, there could be more hints flying around the movie.
I don’t think there is any doubt that the hobbit movie will be made. Its worth too much to not be. The whole world would go and see this movie, especially after it has chance to get hungry for it during the wait. Just think about how the world went mad during the run-up to starwars episode 1! Let’s just hope that PJ does the original movies justice unlike Lucas.
Ok, def written enough for now. Rant over.
Does anybody dis/agree with what I’m saying??
JWe
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Post by WitchKing on Aug 13, 2004 14:55:00 GMT -5
Actually, word for word i think my opinion would have been exactly the same, yes it would be a wonderful treat to audiences to see some of LOTRs characters lurking in the background, who knows? PJ might even bring one up close for a second! You also right about the Gollum role, I have antisipated the fact that they might really try to make it the best scene in the movie, or at least the most remembered one. Yes Aragorn was in Rivendell at that time, but there were so many characters (in the book) that were, if they had only put all of them in the movie they could have brought them ALL back for the Hobbit! (By the way, the other day I went searching with a few buddys on the internet to find out if Glorfindel actually did show up in LOTR, maybe standing in the background... I found a pic of the guy they got to play him and practically thanked my stars they hadn't put him in, at least not up close...has anyone else seen him?) As for the dwarves again i think your right about the porportions but they will still have a hard time with the cosmetic work, and I hope also that they don't cheapen Balins role any, he was a cool character. And I agree 100% about the opening being proportionate to the Star Wars opening one the first set... However I think we can trust in Peters enthusiasm for Tolkiens works, and rely on him to bring to us a 'Hobbit' worth remembering. He won't let us down.
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Post by AragornII on Aug 23, 2004 14:54:42 GMT -5
Yes i also agree with 99% of what you said - and have quite often thought of alot of that before you put it into words, well put.
just one thing what do you mean by "How much chance is there of PJ playing up the Witchking story "
are you refering to the what gandalf refers to as "the necromancer"? - (sauron)
i can't remember any reference to the witch king in the hobbit..
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Post by [Aeria-Gloris] on Aug 24, 2004 12:29:06 GMT -5
Quite right. The Necromancer. I was thinking it might go the same way as Gandalf’s encounter with Saruman. Although it was refered to in the novel in retrospect at the council of Elrond, it was played out in the movie in real-time. I spoze it’d be quite cool to have the battle of 5/6/7 armies (I cant remember) intercut with scenes of Gandalf running around the evil Mirkwood fortress chopping up goblins and possibly a skirmish with a wraith?...
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