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Post by Breelander on Jun 21, 2004 0:27:11 GMT -5
It's true. They left the Old Forest and the Barrow-downs out of the movie, so there was really no point in bringing Tom Bombadil in. Also, the chapter with Tom was kind of unnerving in a way. It was almost as if he was the odd-one-out in Middle-Earth - he made light of the Ring, the Ring didn't affect him or make him invisible, and he could see Frodo when Frodo was wearing it. It kind of diminishes the whole feeling of the importance of the Quest. Also, Bombadil's power over his land is constrained to a small area, and he won't go outside it. Why not? It kind of irritates me.
If they included him in the movie, they'd have a lot of explaining to do for most people to understand him. Why is he so jolly, where does he come from, what are his powers, and why doesn't he help the Fellowship with them? Why does the Ring have no power over him, and why can't it stay with him? It would take a long time to explain it all, and it couldn't really be done.
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Post by Ilúvatar on Jun 21, 2004 11:05:05 GMT -5
I was just wondering why they would have to explain Tom in the movie when Tolkien doesn't explain him in the book. Just a thought that came to mind. ![:)](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/Hannah22/Fourm/smiley.gif)
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Post by Breelander on Jun 21, 2004 22:36:33 GMT -5
Well, most of us don't understand Tom Bombadil in the book, and we're readers of Tolkien. Since many people who would be seeing the movie wouldn't even have read the books, it would be even more confusing. Also, I think the chapter with Bombadil diminished the importance of the Quest, as I said before, and it would need explaining on-screen as to why we should take the ring seriously if this jovial little man doesn't.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I read somewhere that Tolkien wrote poetry for the Uni paper where he was teaching that was peppered all over with Tom Bombadil, even before he actually began writing LOTR. Maybe when he came to write the books, he liked the character and wanted to include him in the history of the ring, even though he doesn't quite fit.
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Post by Goblinglow on Sept 14, 2004 20:44:58 GMT -5
I like Tom Bombadil. ![:-[](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/Hannah22/Fourm/blushy.gif) ;D It might not seem like it, but I think Tom played a more important part in the story than what is shown. I think I heard somewhere that some say he is one of the Valar, or Ainu or something. I don't know though, he's kind of mysterious.
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Post by namarie on May 21, 2005 22:54:50 GMT -5
Hey, all. I am new to the group, nevertheless I am going to stick my neck out and sound totally foolish. I don't have anything to add to where Tom came from, but I have a silly theory about where he showed up again in "history". Remember Mary Poppins? Bert and Mary? Who were they anyway? Maybe Tom and Goldberry? They obviously knew each other before the events in the movie. I think Tom and Goldberry never died and are still kicking around being magical somewhere. Just a fun thought for you all.
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Post by Eru on May 21, 2005 23:07:32 GMT -5
Hey, all. I am new to the group, nevertheless I am going to stick my neck out and sound totally foolish. I don't have anything to add to where Tom came from, but I have a silly theory about where he showed up again in "history". Remember Mary Poppins? Bert and Mary? Who were they anyway? Maybe Tom and Goldberry? They obviously knew each other before the events in the movie. I think Tom and Goldberry never died and are still kicking around being magical somewhere. Just a fun thought for you all. Welcome to the Fifth Age! What an interesting theory! It sounds quite good too. I can image Bert and Tom being the same. ![:D](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/Hannah22/Fourm/grin.gif)
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Post by paleocon on Jul 15, 2005 14:40:39 GMT -5
Who is Tom Bombadil? None other than the Witch-king of Angmar! flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/theories/bombadil.htmActually, I think that Tom Bombadil is a sort of Adamic figure of Tolkien's Christian mythopoesis. He seems to be closest to the world and to Illuvatar. He expresses himself in song, which is the mode of creation of Arda, and song is also a form of the worship of God, which is the purpose of man. He seems to be a sort of image of man before the Fall, which would explain why he is unaffected by the Ring, which can symbolize Original Sin. Not that I'm taking this in an entirely allegorical way, as Tom is not quite the allegory of Adam, but certainly points in the direction of Eden. This would also satisfy Tolkien's philosophy of myth.
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