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Post by Legolas on Mar 23, 2004 9:20:49 GMT -5
no. the sil was (i think) written after rotk. he wrote the hobbit in the '30s, the lotr books in the '40s and '50s, so it makes sense.
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Post by Ilúvatar on Mar 23, 2004 10:43:13 GMT -5
The Sil was an on-going (before and during his other books) work published in the late 70s after Tolkien's death by his son Christopher. He relied heavily on the Sil during his work on LotR. I don't think Tolkien was delusional just a creative genius ![:)](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/Hannah22/Fourm/smiley.gif) .
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Post by Gothmog on Mar 23, 2004 15:11:03 GMT -5
I was being sarcastic, doesn't translate too well on Proboards, and yes Iluvatar is right, the Sil was his first, and last book.
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Post by Ilúvatar on Mar 23, 2004 16:27:49 GMT -5
I don't think Tolkien was delusional just a creative genius ![:)](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/Hannah22/Fourm/smiley.gif) . You are right, Gothmog - sacrasicm and wit don't translate very well. I guess my smilie face should have been a wink ![;)](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/Hannah22/Fourm/wink.gif) instead.
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Post by Legolas on Mar 23, 2004 18:18:17 GMT -5
true. i didn't know that the sil was so important. any thoughts to why he didn't want to publish it? (we need to post a question like that in the sil thread!)
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Post by [Aeria-Gloris] on Aug 3, 2004 12:46:50 GMT -5
My Great Grandfather, Fergus Walsh was in the same regiment as Tolkien during some of WW1. What really stands out is that they were in the same regiment during the Somme. Fergus was bayoneted during the battle and spent most of the rest of his time in the army in India after that. I always thought that since Tolkien has admitted that he took a lot of inspiration for the hobbits from the men he fought with (particularly the connection of Sam and Frodo’s relationship to the bagmen of that time) that there could always be a chance that my Great Grandfather might have inspired some part of the LOTR. He was fairly short with dark hair… and always smoked a pipe…
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Post by Eru on Aug 3, 2004 12:59:45 GMT -5
That is so cool!! ![8-)](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/Hannah22/Fourm/cool.gif) Some really neat family history you have there.
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Post by [Aeria-Gloris] on Aug 3, 2004 16:04:37 GMT -5
Cheers!
I'm just happy someone believes me to be honest!
I'l look into it some more if people would like...
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Post by Aislinn on Aug 4, 2004 21:36:02 GMT -5
yes that would be cool. I would be definatly interested
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Post by Elrond Séregon on Aug 5, 2004 0:21:49 GMT -5
Speaking of WWI, I just recently completed a thesis paper arguing the influence of WWI on LOTR. Some would argue that LOTR is an allegory of WWII but thats entirely false. But back on WWI - He said himself in the foreward to LOTR "A author cannot of course remain wholly unaffected by his experience" and continues on to say, "By 1918 all but one of my close friends were dead." Indeed, one can find many similarities between the two. WWI was termed "the war to end all wars" as Frodos quest is to defeat the ultimate evil. Frodo and Sam is a Master-Servant relationship, which Tolkien would've known very well due the structure of the British Army during WWI. Tolkien says, "My Sam Gamgee is indeed a reflection of the English solider, of the privates and batmen I knew in the 1914 war, and recognised as so far superior to myself." Theres loads more comparisons that can be made.
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